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OFFICIAL: JS8Call @OGCOMMS Group #Digital #js8call

 

It would be cool to see others using JS8Call start using @OGCOMMS as our group name to retrieve messages.

If you don't know what that means... check out my JS8Call page for details at: https://app.simplenote.com/p/VY01B3

Of course you need to use your FCC callsign as sending to the @group does nothing, it's best thought of as a "TAG" that is attached to all messages in your inbox going to a specific callsign.

Instead of that call sign needing to ask each individual that may have left him a message, he can query @OGCOMMS and get a message back from any station online that is holding a message for him if he has the @OGCOMMS group on his system.

See the attached image and let me know if there are any questions.

randall krippner
 

Thanks for explaining about the 'group' thing in JS8. I've been playing with it for a while but I had no idea how the group and messaging functions worked until I watched the Youtube videos you linked to in your simplenote page! I don't know if it's just me, but I find the normal JS8 documentation to be inadequate when explaining some of this stuff.

I really like JS8 and think it has a huge amount of potential. The only thing I don't like about it is the timing requirement. The need to have everyone who is using it to have their computer clocks set to within one second or so of each other makes it potentially difficult to use out in the field. Computer clocks are notoriously inaccurate and often require additional software and an internet connection to keep them automatically synchronized. Listening to WWV can be an option, but a lot of QRP rigs don't have general coverage receivers and can't pick it up, and in any case there's no guarantee WWV will even be around in the near future.

I still don't really understand that whole timing synchronization thing. Why is it necessary that everyone using it be set to the exact same time? Why can't the system have an option to synch itself to the signal being copied? I can understand why for general use, but when working an individual station or group of stations, I don't see why you couldn't have an option for it to automatically synchronize to a specific station's transmissions and eliminate the need for everyone's clocks to be exactly the same. Oh well.

 

You can manually set the sync without a clock based on a received signal.

I think the timing might be so you can decode the whole waterfall, but a RxID/TxID might be in the works for matching a specific signal?

On Thu, Aug 29, 2019, 05:18 randall krippner <randallkrippner@...> wrote:
Thanks for explaining about the 'group' thing in JS8. I've been playing with it for a while but I had no idea how the group and messaging functions worked until I watched the Youtube videos you linked to in your simplenote page! I don't know if it's just me, but I find the normal JS8 documentation to be inadequate when explaining some of this stuff.

I really like JS8 and think it has a huge amount of potential. The only thing I don't like about it is the timing requirement. The need to have everyone who is using it to have their computer clocks set to within one second or so of each other makes it potentially difficult to use out in the field. Computer clocks are notoriously inaccurate and often require additional software and an internet connection to keep them automatically synchronized. Listening to WWV can be an option, but a lot of QRP rigs don't have general coverage receivers and can't pick it up, and in any case there's no guarantee WWV will even be around in the near future.

I still don't really understand that whole timing synchronization thing. Why is it necessary that everyone using it be set to the exact same time? Why can't the system have an option to synch itself to the signal being copied? I can understand why for general use, but when working an individual station or group of stations, I don't see why you couldn't have an option for it to automatically synchronize to a specific station's transmissions and eliminate the need for everyone's clocks to be exactly the same. Oh well.

whiskeybravo16@...
 

You can download Demsion 4 to your computer and it runs continuously updating your clock every 5 min or whatever you set it to.
I have run it for years for JT-65 / JT-9 / FT-8 etc. You never have to worry about being synced again!
http://www.thinkman.com/dimension4/

73
Whiskeybravo-16

 

Yeah, I saw that on the JS8 group. As long as u have internet it's a great way. The GPS method is a little more involved but works in grid down scenarios.


On Fri, Aug 30, 2019, 10:09 whiskeybravo16 via Groups.Io <whiskeybravo16=protonmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
You can download Demsion 4 to your computer and it runs continuously updating your clock every 5 min or whatever you set it to.
I have run it for years for JT-65 / JT-9 / FT-8 etc. You never have to worry about being synced again!
http://www.thinkman.com/dimension4/

73
Whiskeybravo-16

randall krippner
 

I have Dimension 4 and it works very well.

I forgot about decoding all signals in the frequency range. I bet you're right. I should have thought of that myself. 

 

There is a MSG sitting on my box for @OGCOMMS, see if you an retrieve the WOD (word of the day) and post it here.

randall krippner
 

Great :)  I'll try periodically today (Sunday) and again tomorrow if it doesn't work today. That messaging storing and relaying system could be very useful. 

 

Yes, I believe it's the deal maker if we can get it working.  No more being tied to a sched!

Also, being able to query the group at once is nice.  AmRRON is starting to use it I see.

Many times now I have asked @AMRRON if they have any messages for me and gotten 3+ responses immediately telling me who is on air.

If you did this when you came up on the radio and then stored your message on their boxes, u just tripled the chances of another @AMRRON member getting it, or you more considering now everyone is running 27/7 boxes in SHTF.

Great potential, thanks for trying.

Randall,
I also left you one on another box (cant remember whose) about half way between us.  Try @ALLCALL and u might find it.

On Sun, Sep 1, 2019, 05:59 randall krippner <randallkrippner@...> wrote:
Great :)  I'll try periodically today (Sunday) and again tomorrow if it doesn't work today. That messaging storing and relaying system could be very useful. 

randall krippner
 

Jim, have been trying on and off since about 11 AM central time but no luck. For some reason I'm not getting out at all west of the Mississippi. East coast,  yes, west coast, zilch.

Just for the heck of it I plugged the amp in and kicked the power up to 300 watts and even that didn't do any good.

I'll try again later. That's the fun thing about radio, conditions can change almost instantly for no obvious reason. Keeps things interesting :)

 

Seems like bands are a bit dead today, maybe as the GL comes closer.

Appreciate the try!

On Sun, Sep 1, 2019, 12:11 randall krippner <randallkrippner@...> wrote:
Jim, have been trying on and off since about 11 AM central time but no luck. For some reason I'm not getting out at all west of the Mississippi. East coast,  yes, west coast, zilch.

Just for the heck of it I plugged the amp in and kicked the power up to 300 watts and even that didn't do any good.

I'll try again later. That's the fun thing about radio, conditions can change almost instantly for no obvious reason. Keeps things interesting :)

whiskeybravo16@...
 

I've tried 2 or 3 times as well but no connection to local or close in regional.

WB-16

 

I see you are skipping over me.  Need more NVIS in your antenna. :)

 

WB-16 MSG left on KI7ECE/B for you just now, try direct query.  We both can talk to him according to pskreporter

 

oops, I spoke too soon.  No ack back.  I'm skipping all over myself, interesting watching everyones signals on pskreporter.  I can see contacts I just had now are being heard past me but not in close.

Leaving it on 40M

 

Randall,
sooooo close!

 

wrong psk

 

Sorry to the group, I sometimes forget that the emails are not just posted online and are going to everyone, which would be annoying in this case as it's a few of us trying to make comms across the nation, not list directly related.

In the future, we should stick to using the Z-net channel: https://offgridcomms.groups.io/g/main/topic/zello_app_channel/32658532?p=,,,20,0,0,0::recentpostdate%2Fsticky,,,20,2,0,32658532

When working comms, again.. my apologies to the group.

randall krippner
 

That was an interesting experiment. I'm not sure what the heck was going on but it was like there was a wall up between me and everything west of the Mississippi. I was picking up stations from all over the east coast but the only thing west of about the Dakotas was a fellow in Wyoming. So you could hear me but I wasn't getting you. I suspect my high noise level here was the reason why. My noise level here is a nearly constant S-5 and can run as high as S-9. I'll keep fiddling around and see what happens. I bet if I'd stayed up later it would have worked as conditions improved later in the night. I'm always fascinated with propagation. The other day I had no trouble at all getting into the west coast but yesterday nothing.

I finally picked up Zello too and joined the off-grid comms channel. Well, if I can figure out how to use it. Looks pretty simple, really.

I need to hook the OCFD antenna again and try that. Had to take it down when the neighbor had some trees taken down but that won't take long to put up. That's really my NVIS antenna and should be up anyway so I can get back on 80 meters and my wife can listen in to the ARES state net. (Wish she'd just upgrade to General so she could get on HF too)

KC9YGN (Randy)
grouchyfarmer.com

 

[James Earl Jones Voice from Conan] "Ah the riddle of propogation..."

Foubd this on JS8call group today.  https://youtu.be/r_w8Uleg5GU

On Mon, Sep 2, 2019, 04:51 randall krippner <randallkrippner@...> wrote:
That was an interesting experiment. I'm not sure what the heck was going on but it was like there was a wall up between me and everything west of the Mississippi. I was picking up stations from all over the east coast but the only thing west of about the Dakotas was a fellow in Wyoming. So you could hear me but I wasn't getting you. I suspect my high noise level here was the reason why. My noise level here is a nearly constant S-5 and can run as high as S-9. I'll keep fiddling around and see what happens. I bet if I'd stayed up later it would have worked as conditions improved later in the night. I'm always fascinated with propagation. The other day I had no trouble at all getting into the west coast but yesterday nothing.

I finally picked up Zello too and joined the off-grid comms channel. Well, if I can figure out how to use it. Looks pretty simple, really.

I need to hook the OCFD antenna again and try that. Had to take it down when the neighbor had some trees taken down but that won't take long to put up. That's really my NVIS antenna and should be up anyway so I can get back on 80 meters and my wife can listen in to the ARES state net. (Wish she'd just upgrade to General so she could get on HF too)

KC9YGN (Randy)
grouchyfarmer.com